Is There a Difference Between Light and Tone in Art
Difference betwixt tone and value?
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August 28, 2019 at eight:24 pm #477444
I understand a value scale (calorie-free to dark), is tone the same affair? I
Thanks for helping me figure this outAugust 28, 2019 at 10:17 pm #872898
According to William Powell in his book 500 color recipes, Value refers to the lightness or darkness of a color or a tone, then they are basically the same.
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August 28, 2019 at 11:54 pm #872899
My understanding is
Tint is when you lot add white to a Hue
Tone is when you add grey to a Hue
Shade is when you add together black to a Hue.http://s3.amazonaws.com/wetcanvas-hdc/Customs/images/eighteen-Sep-2019/1999899-sigsmall.jpg
STUDIOBONGOAugust 29, 2019 at ii:55 am #872900
While not a Munsell term, if you think of a Munsell hue-page "tone" is from high-chroma on the right to low-chroma (Greyness) at the left reading-horizontally. Where-as tint is a diagonal towards White and shade is a diagonal towards Blackness.
Conversationally, a "range of tones" can exist simply low-blush grays on the leftmost portion of a Munsel hue-page read-vertically though it's really a range of values of Gray or near-Grays. A tonal study has value changes, merely little to no hue or chroma modify …even though information technology may not be just a virtually-Grayness. (Monochromatic)
A "range of values" though can represent whatsoever chroma including very high-chromas.
Tints of Grey would exist Grayness towards White.
Shades of Gray would be Grays towards Blackness.Radical Fundemunsellist
August thirty, 2019 at 7:16 pm #872895
The answers so far reverberate two distinct senses in which the word "tone" is used by artists.
In i of these senses "tone", like "lightness" and "value", refers to the calibration between black and white through various greys. If there'southward a difference it'due south that lightness and Munsell value increase from black to white, while "tone" and also "tonal value" scales are ofttimes represented as increasing from white to blackness.
In the other sense, "a tone" as opposed to a tint or a shade, is a color perceived to comprise black, white and coloured components.
Colour Online (hundreds of links on color): https://sites.google.com/site/djcbriggs/colour-online
The Dimensions of Colour: www.huevaluechroma.com
Colour Society of Australia: www.coloursociety.org.auBaronial thirty, 2019 at viii:51 pm #872901
Information technology'south like the word "hue" has ii entirely unlike usages, well two-and-one one-half really;
1. Hue as in a replacement pigment in marketing; cadmium ruddy hue.
2. Hue as in hue-value-chroma or hue-saturation-value. And more loosely hue as another word for "color".
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August 31, 2019 at 10:40 pm #872891
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a value calibration (light to dark), is tone the same matter?
not information technology is not, a value scale is a specific and distinct concept.
Tone is a nebulous term and nebulous means hazy, uncertain, indefinite, etc.
You lot tin employ the word in many ways
"I dear the tone of that brickwork" (hue, value, and intensity)
"those desert tones are warm and soothing" (colors, hues)
"that bright loud color needs to be toned down" (intensity)
"Tone your canvas before starting your painting" (colour, hue)
"the overall tone of that painting is very high key" (values)
then it covers hue, value, and intensity, information technology is a full service discussion that
is used in more than just two ways.September 4, 2019 at xi:02 am #872886
non it is non, a value scale is a specific and distinct concept.
Tone is a nebulous term and nebulous means hazy, uncertain, indefinite, etc.
You lot tin can use the word in many means
"I love the tone of that brickwork" (hue, value, and intensity)
"those desert tones are warm and soothing" (colors, hues)
"that bright loud color needs to be toned down" (intensity)
"Tone your canvas earlier starting your painting" (color, hue)
"the overall tone of that painting is very high cardinal" (values)
so it covers hue, value, and intensity, information technology is a full service word that
is used in more than just 2 ways.You are absolutely correct! There are so many descriptive words that are used to describe the appearance of color, and many of them are used incorrectly to mean something else.
There are only 3 "attributes", or "dimensions" of colour, and those are Hue, Value, and Chroma. All the other descriptive terms, or phrases take to fit into one of these categories, in order for it to describe the color accurately. (Just ask the Munsell enthusiasts!):lol:
Some of those "descriptive terms" that are oftentimes used, but are mostly mis-used are as follows:
Tint, Shade, Intensity, Luminance, Lightness, Brightness, Dullness, Grayness, Tone, Warm, Cool, Purity, Strength. These can all be categorized under the 3 scientific attributes of color, Hue, Value, and Chroma, in order to be truly meaningful in their descriptions. The merely term that probably tin can't be categorized under ane of these attributes, is the concept of "Warm", and "Absurd", primarily because those are comparative assessments, and each requires more than i color in social club to make such a comparison.
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https://williamfmartin.blogspot.comSeptember 4, 2019 at 12:03 pm #872902
It gets worse;
– In that location's the 10 Munsell "hues".
– There's the "hue angle" used in HSV/HSL Color definitions commonly used in digital and art contexts, and constitute on most color pickers. (Scarlet at 0′, Yellow at 60′)
– Adding to the confusion there'due south the "hue angle" used in CIELAB/CIECAM Colour definitions used by color scientists and found on many color-wheels like Quillers and Bruce MacEvoy'due south Handprint site. (Magenta at 0″, it Red at 30″ and Yellowish at 90′). . . Arrgh!
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September 4, 2019 at 10:24 pm #872896
There are but 3 "attributes", or "dimensions" of color, and those are Hue, Value, and Chroma. All the other descriptive terms, or phrases take to fit into one of these categories, in order for it to depict the color accurately. (Just ask the Munsell enthusiasts!):lol:
Different terms are used for psychophysical (measureable) parameters vs attributes of perceived color, for example luminance vs effulgence: two squares recording the aforementioned luminance may exhibit dissimilar effulgence on different backgrounds. For perceived colours some different terms are needed for colours of lights and colours of objects, for instance effulgence of lite is open ended whereas lightness of objects relates to the scale betwixt black and white. For different purposes the three-dimensional range of object colours can be mapped out in dissimilar ways in addition to hue, lightness and chroma. This sort of information is available in many modernistic texts but none more than beautiful or authoritative than Kuehni and Schwarz'due south Color Ordered (2008).
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=2vfOyOrRdvAC
https://www.amazon.com/Colour-Ordered-Systems-Antiquity-Nowadays/dp/019518968XColor Online (hundreds of links on color): https://sites.google.com/site/djcbriggs/color-online
The Dimensions of Colour: www.huevaluechroma.com
Colour Gild of Australia: www.coloursociety.org.auJan seven, 2020 at 11:38 pm #872894
Plainly, at that place is a LOT of confusion about what color terms hateful !
One word can be used in multiple different ways."Medium/ Media" for case.
Can this ever be remedied?
We need a dictator….a respected central authorization to lay down the constabulary once and for all.
Until then, talking near art, which is already difficult enough, will continue to be like communicating on the Tower of Babel !Jan 17, 2020 at vi:56 am #872897
…a respected central potency to lay down the police once and for all.
In colour science and applied science there is the CIE who laid the foundations of the science of colorimetry start in the early on 20th century and defined all the device-independent color spaces used in colour management, equally well every bit much else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_on_IlluminationThey publish an online vocabulary of 1400+ terms that'due south by far the most authoritative source of definitions for colour science and engineering science, just there are many terms used by artists that aren't covered.
http://eilv.cie.co.at/Colour Online (hundreds of links on color): https://sites.google.com/site/djcbriggs/color-online
The Dimensions of Colour: www.huevaluechroma.com
Colour Order of Australia: www.coloursociety.org.auJanuary 21, 2020 at ten:48 am #872887
Different terms are used for psychophysical (measureable) parameters vs attributes of perceived color, for case luminance vs brightness: [B]two squares recording the same luminance may exhibit different brightness on different backgrounds.[/B]
That is not a very scientific mode to measure the attributes of a color, primarily considering it depends upon a "perceived color", that is dependent upon the visual effect created by the surrounding colors.
An appropriate measurement of colour deals with only the color in question, and not any sort of "issue" that may be created, visually, by the surrounding area.
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https://williamfmartin.blogspot.comJan 23, 2020 at ii:53 pm #872885
That is non a very scientific way to measure the attributes of a color, primarily because it depends upon a "perceived color", that is dependent upon the visual effect created by the surrounding colors.
An appropriate measurement of color deals with only the color in question, and non whatever sort of "effect" that may exist created, visually, by the surrounding area.
By your criteria here, value would not be a very 'scientific' or objective attribute for describing the lightness dimension of colour, because human perception is involved.
Color is the well-nigh important element in painting - except for everything else
February ii, 2020 at 11:59 am #872888
An accurate colour measuring instrument puts it all on 1 airplane, irrespective of that which the homo eye may perceive, and that data tin can be plotted, or published equally real numbers.
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